I still can not believe how many women come to my pages being stuck in the friend’s zone. But then again when I think back to all the women that were obviously interested in me and yet I felt nothing for them, I suppose it’s possible.
I got into this field of dating and relationships for many reasons and one of them being, I spent my whole life amazed by beautiful women. They were my life. I revolved my daily living around them. I went anywhere I could go just to be close to them. (All though never really acting on those feelings.) I suppose all those times I spent staring across all the heads dancing in front of me to get a glimpse of the 10, perhaps to get in her pants, (which by the way was always he ultimate goal), it never occurred to me that I was being eyed by those less scaled girls that saw me as a catch. I was slightly above them on the social scale, and me being slightly below my desired 10 on the social scale.
There was always a chance that girl staring at me would eventually bump into me and we would talk a little, and eventually she would leave not knowing what was going on inside my head. Perhaps she left resenting me, hating me, adoring me more; perhaps she left with her ego sagging just a little more due to the fact I was obsesses with the ten and showed no interest in her at all.
I make no apologies for my actions. After all, I am a man whose attraction is driven differently than a woman. Just as I’m sure that hottie makes no apologies for never giving me a second glance because I was lower than her in status.
Lately I’ve been thinking about the rules of the pickup, or the rules in which men must follow in order to attract a woman and then to successful date or engage in sexual activity. From all my experiences in the field and the research I have done I have no doubt seen this pattern,
The steps of courting from approach to a sexual relationship never change no matter who she is. Yet the details of how to achieve each step successfully varies slightly depending on the woman’s overall status and her perceived attractiveness.
I see now that for a woman it must be similar but on a different platform, so to speak.
The steps of being successfully courted from being approached to a sexual relationship never changes no matter who he is. Yet the details of achieving this varies slightly depending on the man’s overall status and perceived attractiveness.
Women seek status. Men seek beauty. All of which is generally speaking and why I choose the word, perceived. What I find attractive is not the same as the guy next to me, although the patterns over time can give a broad definition of what men instinctively respond to. And the same goes for women through social status.
I am by no means a woman, this I can guarantee and as I slowly reach down to feel the what lies between my legs, I have the goods to prove it. Yet for years my feminine thinking put me in the nice guy friends zone so I feel my perspective is valid and insightful, for women. I may not match a woman’s view due to the way her mind is wired, but I do have the unique ability to think like a woman and derive my man’s logic behind it. Men put themselves in the friend’s for two major reasons and neither of them have much to do him being good-looking or not, although it can play its minor role. Women get stuck in the friend’s zone for exactly the same reasons but instead of leading through the dating process, she either does not allow it to happen, or cares not to gently push a man to step through process with her. The second usually being a woman’s instinctive defense against mating with potentially inferior genes.
I realize how women think and I can not help any woman unless I can put it in the emotional way she thinks. in other words, logically explaining this becomes a waste of both of our times, and it just won’t work. Therefore any woman reading this might need more discussions to solidify it inside their minds, you can do so by commenting below.
Back to the issue…
So you’re a woman. You meet this incredible man you are highly attracted to. The meeting goes well, you offer your phone number and he accepts it. He was flirty but every instinct in your body told you this man will be a challenge. So you put up your guards. Those tiny thoughts that randomly appear in your head trying to dictate your every move, so as not to scare this potential boyfriend. You stumble your words. You won’t let the conversation go stale so you eagerly break into asking him question after question about anything and everything. You manage to squeak out a joke or two, busting on him for qualification, and he laughs giving it right back to you. Each time you feel his hand push slightly your body. The clothes you are wearing rub up against your skin and your heart beats a little quicker. Once even a slight warm chill runs from your toes to the top of your head.
At the end of this wonderful moment the time eventually comes to part your ways. You know if he asks you to go somewhere that evening, you will accept. But he doesn’t and you leave saying, call me.
BUT HE NEVER CALLS!
In fact the next time you see him he is primed up another girl and you find out from a mutual friend that he even left with someone else later evening. Your heart sinks. You’re pissed and at the same time, a little jealous. You feel your self-esteem drooping to your side but you pick yourself up and try to act uncaring and positively so those around you don’t see your weakness.
If you’re asking what all this has to do with women in the friend’s zone, this post is not about not being called, then that’s good. You’re thinking like a woman. You’re trying to find the deeper meaning behind my words and the reason why I chose that story above. Well here’s the reason…
That man above knows, naturally or not, the steps behind meeting women and building sexual relationships. It was obvious to me when I wrote it, and was obvious to you when you read it. But guess what? Out of every man I have met in my life I would have to say only 1 out of a 100 (if not higher, which as just a guess on my part) can successfully do what that man did. What that means to you is your defenses, depending on your ability, stops those other 99 men from ever getting close to you. You see your mind is wired to protect you from those men therefore it acts or reacts with any means possible. Those are also the same feelings which causes you to get stuck in the friend’s zone with that one man whom you see so often.
FROM A MAN’S PERSPECTIVE:
I meet this girl. She is attracted to me. I get stuck creating so much comfort she gets bored or eventually sticks me in the friend’s zone because I pose no challenge or slowly revealed my true status in the world, which is below hers. My nice guy ways controlling my inability to properly move to the physical engagement.
FROM WOMAN’S PERSPECTIVE:
I meet this guy. I am attracted to him. He seems interested in me. We have a great conversation but he never makes the effort to escalate into physical engagement. We went out several times and he still didn’t make a move. We’re good friend’s now and I have seen him with other women and dealt with that last girlfriend of his, who was obviously not right for him. I’m still attracted to him but no matter what I do he still only sees me as his friend, or worse yet, his little sister. He tells me EVERYTHING and I sit and listen to it. Trying to reassure him he is a great man and someday he will find that true love of his life. Knowing inside at times I wish I could throw him down and show him how sexy I can be and how we belong together.
I hate playing the blame game but who’s fault is it of why both of those relationships above never got physical?
According to the man, it was his fault, according to the woman, it’s her fault for not being sexy enough. I’m here to tell you that I believe it is always the man’s fault if he wants to make a move but fails to do so at the appropriate time. BUT it is the woman’s responsibility, if she is truly interested, to make it easy for him to escalate physically at the appropriate time.
Unlike like a man who I feel doesn’t create attraction first will find it utterly impossible to change that emotion in a woman, without first stepping far away and reworking his attractiveness, a woman, once a man sees you as attractive, unless your looks drastically change, will always find you attractive. We may not find you as attractive years later when our lives change our perceptions, but there still exists the thoughts of your sexuality.
Therefore when, as a woman, you feel stuck in that friends zone with a guy ask him this:
“Do you find me attractive?”
If he responds positively then I urge you make it easy for him to escalate physically. I know. I actually hate giving advice to women to do the man’s work but think about it this way.
Most men do know how to perform as a man, they just haven’t learned to the proper skills to achieve this.
So you have two choices, keep searching for that man who can do that, or when you meet a man who you feel has the characteristics you want in a man…
AND YOU FEEL ATTRACTED TOWARDS…
Skillfully guide him through without leading on that you are doing this. If he can not properly respond and in the cases where it just isn’t going to happen, meaning you thought he was into you but really wasn’t, then it’s time to move on.
Get over him quickly and find someone new. Someone that is mentally and physically attracted to you.
As a woman your friends zone exists differently than a man’s but I have found the root of the friend’s zone is always being perceived as attractive in another one’s mind firstly and foremost.
Have a great weekend everyone.

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Thanks for sharing this! I have known this man for 4 years. First, as colleagues and later as friends sharing everything from personal feelings, hurts, dvds and even cars
. He told me men and woman cannot be friends and that we’re friends because he likes me a lot. We both like each other very much, but he has his woman problems which he’s been honest with me about. recently he’s with this other woman, so i had to be honest with him that i was extremely upset, i was in the friend zone. He responded with the following email:
“….This is an intense crazy situation with work and personalities and all that. And because its so intense its hard to stay objective, plus we all need loving and caring and physical contact and those things to sustain us. I’m sorry for the hurt I have caused you maisy, but i have tried to protect you (and me for that matter) because my situation is messy and you don’t need to be another part of that mess. you’re a lovely woman maisy, and i’m sorry if you feel hurt by the friend bench thing, but i’ve just tried to be honest with you and keep things on track as best I can. We are all human maisy, and I have my faults and weaknesses too, but I really do like and respect you a lot and hopefully one day we can just laugh this off…and I am VERY flattered that you find me worth liking, because quite often I don’t feel very likeable…”
I still do like him and respect him but, I am not sure what to make of this email. Can you help me understand? Please!
Thanks for your question Maisy.
It appears this man wrote so much because he genuinely values your friendship but I feel I could put his entire email into one sentence:
“It’s not you, it’s me.”
As a person and a man, I understand how hard it is to hurt someone you are close to. This is why he wrote so much rather than opting for the typical quote above. He obviously respects you and your relationship with him.
Sadly though it does seem a friendship will be his only choice with you, for now. I won’t hide that from you. No matter how it is phrased, “It’s not you it’s me.” is just another way of telling someone, you feel no attraction towards them.
Please understand though that every situation is unique and there are a small majority of people that opt for friendship even when they feel attraction. This could be the case. I don’t have enough information to go by. However I do know that you have revealed your feelings to him at a time when you experienced a little jealousy. Which is not always the best time.
“If you do something to “let a man know how you feel” … but he isn’t open to the situation at that time, or he isn’t ATTRACTED to you, then it’s going to backfire.”
http://www.dialteg.org/creating-“intense-attraction”-man/
Please let me know if I cleared up his email for you or if you have any other questions. Let’s talk Maisey.
Hey Peter!
Thanks. You know what?, YOU are SO right! I have been pondering on this email and coupled with recent developments and i agree with what you’ve said. I also know he is a confused man, who doesn’t know what he wants. He sent me an email late yesterday, saying he wasn’t happy and he’s feeling the worst ever in his life and feels like killing himself half the time (bla bla). That he’s girlfriend’s only activity is sex, and he can’t even have the space to study (he is doing an online masters course), or see his friends. I completely ignored the email for 24 hours (honestly, peter it wasn’t that i was angry, it was because i WAS stunned – he is an honest man, who protects all his friends and never discloses anything about his friends!! this is the first time he’s said such a thing about a friend, who happens to be more than just a friend) and then i sent a short note saying..”that’s so sad J, i would recommend professional counseling..” and he replied: “been thinking about that lately, Maisy, i am taking time off work and a break from all and will try to find myself a professional counsellor…” I responded with a joke about the weather and we had a good laugh. I love and respect myself, peter, and i guess that’s the first step to happiness so yeah, i agree with you that every situation is different and i just have to watch this closely. I have let go. He needs to find out what he wants, and i don’t think i can be of any help..Thankyou peter. I really appreciate your help. I will keep you posted through this blog or your personal email…cheers
Definitely keep me informed on your progress Maisy.
I get the concept but how do I make him feel comfortable? what do I do or say without sounding like a porn star or am I supposed to sound like a porn star?
Thanks Paris.
I wouldn’t recommend sounding like a porn star unless you are sexually involved and you are both into it.
I’m assuming you really like this guy but you feel he lacks in the area of making the first move. So you want to make him feel more comfortably sexy around you. You either want to turn him on enough to bring out his natural sex drive, or get him to finally open up physically towards you.
Men have attraction triggers, and they may differ from women, but they work the same. We have no control over them and we can only act or not act on them. We also have different triggers based on many many different things. For some it’s a vocal tone, a soft touch on the arm, a cute smile, etc… Finding out what he responds to can be nothing more than just listening and watching how he acts around other women. You don’t have to ask him directly what turns him on that way.
Although in conversation you are more than free to casually bring up the subject of sex. Talk about a friend’s preferences and how they may be strange or even too normal. Try to stay away from your past experiences too much. This could scare a nice guy. The overly nice guys I have met often feel inadequate in bed because of their lack of experience. I felt the same way myself. If a woman brought up how this one guy really did it for her I felt pressured to live up to that. The pressure created fear and uncertainty in my ability. Therefore I failed to make a move on certain women because I felt I could not be good enough and eventually she would leave me for a better lay.
When out in public. Stay close to him but don’t smother him. Find that balance. Just make sure when he’s ready and the timing’s is right, he won’t have to chase you down. Because he won’t. When I want a women to understand I’m ready, I make it clear but I do it subtlety. I open my body language, feel sexy in doing it, lean back, and relax. I never jump around. I make it easy to approach me and get real close to me.
Okay…here’s small list to make him feel more comfortable being close to you:
Brush off objects that may or may not exist on his body. (Close to sensual areas.)
“Oooo you have something on your neck, I’ll get it for you. Hey, how did my hair get on your neck? Haha!” Fix his clothes without mentioning what you are doing. (And no they have to be messy. Just make it up.)
Hug him before and after a meeting. Break that barrier between you. And when you pull back grab his hand softly and let it slowly slide from yours. Don’t look at him while the hands are touching. Turn away slowly allow him to feel your presence leaving his barrier. Turn away slowly and allow him to gaze at your touching hand, (turn and expose your wrist to him as you do it.) Let him notice the side curves of your body, and your neck. I have found that full face on face can intimidate some men, and honestly the side view of a woman’s body exposes her wonderfully exciting shape. And you do want to turn him on.
Sit close to him and play games. Yes games which allow you to touch each other’s hands. Be sensual when you do it. Games are great for healthy competition and flirting, and they can have so many innuendos mixed in. They have a beginning but not necessarily an ending. Which means the ability to build attraction. Use the man’s so called tricks or games against him, such as fake palm reading, thumb wars, hand slapping for quickness. Whatever you choose the point is strong flirty hand on hand contact.
What to say without sounding like a porn star?
I’m assuming you are already close to a guy and you want to tease him with your words. I believe, from my own experiences in listening to dirty talk from women, it is exactly like good sex. Meaning foreplay can lead to hard fucking. So never go right into it. (We’re not talking about phone sex so there probably is real touching going on.) In this case how he is making you feel, avoiding the obvious, is what you should be whispering.
“Oh baby when you touched me that way I felt a tingle run up my back.”
“Mmmmm I didn’t think my nipples could get any harder but when I felt your hand run along my inner thigh…..Mmmmmmm!”
“You do know if you kiss me that way one more time I might not be able to control myself.”
The key here is to be vocal about what he is doing to you. That turns him on. It assures him what he is doing feels good for the both of you.
Micheal Webb is an expert on sex. One of his many books is
Dirty Talk Secrets. For a complete guide check it out. It will cost you some money, but if you want to get this skill down, it’s worth the investment.
I hope I helped you out a little Paris, and if I din’t please don’t be afraid to let me know with some follow up questions. If you’re not sure what you are saying is working or you have something in mind you want to say, write it to me and I will have a look at it.
Good luck Paris and again, thanks for the comment.
Hi Peter,
I promised to update you on situation since you helped give some insight into my situation over a month ago…;) Since then things have taken an unusual twist in my friendship with this guy whom i spoke about. At the time when we spoke he was with this other woman. One of the things you stressed was that
” he was not attracted to me”. I took that advice (and it kinda hurt, at first). Instead of telling him exactly how i felt because i had already made him feel uncomfortable by treating him bad, I emailed him a formal apology, saying if i had hurt him in any way, i was sincerely sorry and that things would be different from here on and i accepted that! He responded saying “life is complicated and difficult but after all is said and done, the good people you meet are very rare” and that i was definitely one of the rare ones. Since then, things have changed dramatically, he is now overly attracted to me, and he has actually said this on 3 occasions. I am cautious (maybe overly cautious, who knows?) because this other woman is still in his life. He initiates flirting with me by email in the guise of saying “I am bored, lets talk…” and goes on until he gets turned on so bad he calls me up…it’s been going on for weeks!!!. Maybe he is confused? But i know he is attracted to me. Why because he said things like, “you can turn me on, I know it, and like that so much, believe me” and ” you’re a very attractive woman” and “I can’t stop thinking about you these days”…To be honest, i don’t know what’s happening? Does he want me to make the first move? but I am staying away, and it’s hard because we still work togather on a project. I am also cautious because i don’t know what’s going on between him and this other woman. What do you think pete?
Great to hear from you again Maisey. I appreciate the update.
Please take note everyone because there is some valuable information she has left us with…and that is the first step out of the friend’s zone will typically involve stepping back from the person you are attracted to. The man Maisey mentions didn’t show his real attraction for her until she mentions to him she’s okay with his choice. A bold move and I applaud you for it.
Maisy…I don’t want to put this gentleman down for being who he is and I realize I do not know him at all, but I would like you to seriously ask yourself these short questions and answer them honestly with yourself:
Do you want a man who is confused about what he really wants?
Do you want a man who seems to only initiate the conversation when he appears bored, or uses boredom as an excuse to flirt with you?
Do you want a man who may be using you as an excuse to leave this other woman?
(It goes like this. Let’s say I am committed to one person and I want out, but I don’t want to be the bad guy. I don’t want to take responsibility for possibly cheating on her. If I can get another woman to make a move on me, it exonerates me. I don’t feel responsible. It was her fault. And if I enter a relationship with this new woman, I can always use that against her. And Real high quality men just don’t behave like this. )
Do you want a man who acts negatively towards himself?
I know. You’re attracted to him. You’ve invested a portion of your feelings towards him. He is attracted to you. You’ve proved that to yourself, to him, and to us all reading this.
Here are some quoted sentences from you and him so far:
“He told me men and woman cannot be friends and that we’re friends because he likes me a lot. ”
” I’m sorry for the hurt I have caused you maisy, but i have tried to protect you”
“I am VERY flattered that you find me worth liking, because quite often I don’t feel very likeable”
He’s confused – will his confusion just magically disappear when you begin to date?
He has tried to protect your feelings – do you need to be protected from your inner self?
He does not feel worthy of himself – Will you two enhance each other or will he need constant reassurance? Will you suddenly become his source of self-esteem?
We all have problems Maisy and I have not met one perfect person in my life. I just feel you can do better for yourself right now but allowing this man to discover first who he is, what he really wants, and how much work he is willing to do for himself that allows him to grow. You can be his friend and help him if you wish, but you seem like a smart successful woman and I think it’s time you take advantage of who you are, and find men who look for enhancement not completion.
I know you have more feelings on this for we have just opened up this new chapter. Feel free to write more and we will talk it out.
Thanks to YOU, Peter!!!!!, You and your articles made me take a step attempting some practical exercises. I am lawyer by background so it’s like applying law to the facts and i do that all the time – except this is the first time (believe me) i tried it out for something that benefits me! And Peter, the more you talk the more i see that I AM having fun (i think) (lol). Over the weekend, my girlfriend and i were asking questions along these same lines and I figured i am going to “help” him find out who he is and WHAT he really wants. How? well, just ignore everything he is ONLY now saying and doing. If he really means it, well, come get me!!! and boy has HE got a lot of work to do! To be honest, taking that bold step to apologize for being so angry and letting go actually made me a much stronger person. I don’t think he is stupid, Peter, i think he has seen this and wants it, BUT nothing comes free and easy – that’s not to say i have less feelings for him now – except i think i am stronger, and i HAVE to be strong so he can find himself, until then, let me go on a dating spree!
You’re more than welcome and enjoy that dating spree.
It’s great to hear the good news. I can’t wait to hear more…