Are You A Nice Guy & Tired Of Being A Loser With Women? This Ends Today!

Do you feel like just another "nice guy" trudging your ass home from a day or night out... Alone, tired, and frustrated.

Did you see one more jerk steal the girl you had your eyes on?

Did you talk to her first but nothing came from it? You didn't even get her number or Facebook profile to put in your phone for later?

And then you later watch her leave with some dude who acted like an asshole!

You often get pissed off wondering why any woman would put up with a guy like that... YOU would always be there for her. He'll treat her like shit and probably cheat on her.

You would treat her like a Princess IF she would only give you a chance but nope, a woman like THAT would throw you aside for a guy like him.

Do you feel like while everyone tells you how must CREATE attraction, you just don't seem to know HOW to DO it or why you should HAVE to do it anyways?

You're thinking - if women are always saying they're tired of the games men play - and you don't play them, why are you still alone or worse yet... lonely?

Shouldn't women LIKE you for YOU and feel attracted to you anyways without having to play all those games?

You guess not.

You went home alone again feeling like a complete LOSER with women. Helpless, clueless as to why such terrible things happen to such a nice guy like yourself.

Worst of all it's making you hate women. It pisses you off so much kind of makes you want to become a jerk... just to get laid.

Yet - for some reason you can not explain - you went out feeling lucky that day. How finally you'd meet that special rare woman who actually LIKES nice guys like you.

You can't shake the optimism even though at times it feels like it's mocking you. Making fun of you behind your back.

You went out feeling tall and confident once again but feel two inches shorter hunched over struggling to get up the few steps to your apartment...

Staring at the very same floor you hoped a woman would soon walk besides you.

This day or night - nothing changed - the steps you walk on everyday would only feel the full weight of your despair.

The steps heard nothing but your feet echoing through the hallway and through the eerily silent walls.

No laughter from a woman.

No sweet conversations about what a good time she had with you.

No smacking of your lips to hers in the night.

Your imagination planned the entire evening out like how you'd be rushing to get the keys in the door followed by a magical evening of great sex and laughter... and a tasty breakfast in bed with her as you discussed your hopes and dreams and how happy you were to meet each other.

Yes, that description was certainly laid on thick BUT you know what, I'm not a fiction writer. They were pulled from my own experiences and how it all felt to me.

Going out with a false set of confidence tucked between my legs, the condom stuffed in my wallet, and the worst thing a nice guy can ever have...


Hope may seem like a good thing - after all - you might feel utterly lost without it but you know where hope gets you in this world...


You can HOPE your bills will disappear but they never do until you earn some cash and pay for them.

You can HOPE that hot girl you've had your eyes on approaches you but she probably won't until YOU do.

You can HOPE your future will turn out better than your past but what are the chances that happens "accidentally" until you CREATE that better future for yourself.

"...END the game of "waiting for someone to come along" and or for the right woman to "fall into your lap". This POISONOUS mindset is not only a TIME WASTER but DANGEROUS to your long-term HAPPINESS."

Scot McKay

Waiting for someone to come along and cure your happiness is no different than waiting for a pizza to be delivered to you when you didn't even order one.

You can hope it happens but chances are it's NEVER just going to appear until you DO something to make it happen.

No matter how much HOPE or optimism you have, the cure to your loneliness is NOT going to be found unless you make a decision to go get what you feel you rightly deserve...

"You can stand at this crossroads and choose to settle for whatever results you're currently getting with women, or you can choose to take the path of action.

He doesn't sit back expecting his abilities with women to succeed; he actively seeks out opportunities to try and learn from his interactions. When he fails in a seduction, he looks back on what he could do differently, not scared that making a mistake means he's unworthy as a man.

Don't be the man sitting in front of the wood stove who says "Give me heat first, and THEN I'll throw in the wood."

Who Would You Rather Be, Bob or Dave? Single, Intelligent, Nice Guys

Women have a definite pattern of what attracts them and it's not a secret being withheld from you.

Within you IS the cure to finally break free and eliminate any pattern of hope and despair you are going through in your life.

You are NOT a LOSER with women.

You were born as a male which just happens to be the prefect fit for a female.

You DO have the ability to work through your loneliness and come out the other side better than ever before.

You ARE capable of attracting practically ANY woman you desire AND you do not have to become a jerk or play some stupid mind games to make that happen.

You're done today, right now, of being considered or made out to be a loser with women.

  • What's the problem?
  • Why are you failing?
  • What are you biggest fears with women?
  • What are your excuses?
  • What are your reasons for not getting this done?
  • What don't you understand that you think could help you?

OBJECTIFY your life.

Cultivate a new mindset and start doing things DIFFERENTLY.

Manage a plan to succeed starting TODAY!

MAKE it happen.

You may ask,

"Really Pete - is it all just THAT simple? You make it SOUND so easy but to me, it feels like you're full of shit and taking advantage of us in our sad state?"

You have every right to question it all BUT since I've been where you are for more years than you're probably alive (wait... an I really that freaking old?) I know what's happening:

You're using questions like that to avoid doing what seriously needs to be done and you're just delaying a process that works.

There's no real secret cure to your loneliness.

Woman Doctor Cure Lonely

Again, no one is hiding anything from you.

No one is trying to take advantage of you. Nobody is trying to sell you some magic diet plan promising you'll lose weight in a week or that you'll make thousands of dollars a week for the rest of your life.

Attraction is a pre-made system designed by nature to assure your Genes survive though pro-creation because humans have a limited life span.

Forget the past. LET IT GO!

Learn how attraction works.

Go ahead and fail (and succeed at times) to learn through trial, error, practice, and build your confidence.

Immediately go to work on your self-esteem. Start believing in yourself. Take a real objective look at yourself.

Learn the skills of communication and sexual communication.

Present your new mindset, your new habits or traits or whatever you tweaked a bit, to women with your new skills of communicating to women.

Attracting women is simply this:


"You don't need to show them all at once to get her attention but you must show a few to increase your chance of being the confident guy she wants. They are being humble, a sense of humor, put together, and an amazing real sense of humor. Combined together and you will become the man she's been looking for."

The 4 Sure Signs Of Confidence That Women Look For In A Man

Your real confidence is the one and only true Aphrodisiac to women. It can be blended with other items such as humor, wit, and drive to leave a lasting attractive impression on women.

Creating attraction through your confidence is simply a matter of communicating that confidence to women in a way which is natural. It's a skill that CAN be learned.


Believing in yourself and holding yourself with certain high values  and understanding the concept of achieving realistic expectations from yourself.

My self-esteem page is currently in re-write but a great way to increase your esteem is to rid yourself of as many limited beliefs you are holding on to and understand what Self-Esteem is and how it differs from Confidence.

These are the Six Pillars Of Self-Esteem:

1. Live Consciously.
2. Accept Yourself.
3. Take Responsibility for Your Experiences.
4. Assert Who You Are.
5. Live Purposefully.
6. Maintain Your Integrity.

Nathaniel Branden

Pick it up on Amazon: The Six Pillars of Self-Esteem: The Definitive Work on Self-Esteem by the Leading Pioneer in the Field

One thing to NEVER FORGET about your self-esteem (if you're to build it higher) is the first part:


Anything outside yourself is not self-esteem. Anything you have no control over is not self-esteem.

Here's how you can start eliminating your limited beliefs:

FIRST Choose the External State of the belief or how you believe those around you see it.

Here are a few examples I've learned to re-frame.

  • “I’m too short so women are not attracted to me.”
  • “I'm too nice and women are not attracted to nice guys.”

SECOND: How do you internalize that external belief or how does it make you feel?

This where you're connecting the external state to the internal belief.

  • “ I don’t feel attractive or good-looking because women only like tall men.”
  • “ Being nice means I can not be myself because women are ONLY attracted to jerks.”

THIRD: You want to ask a few simple questions to re-frame the negative or limited beliefs above. The “all” question – Take the internal belief and make it apply to everyone, everywhere...

  • “Is it true that all women, everywhere, at any given time, are not attracted to a shorter man? ”
  • “Is it true that every woman are only in a relationship with a guy who treats them badly?”

FOURTH: The “what if” question – Reverse the internal belief and put yourself in that new position it creates.

  • “If I were a taller man, how would that change my existence, or who would I be if I was born a taller man?”
  • “If I had always been a jerk to women, how would that change my existence, or who would I be right not if I had only treated women badly?”

FIFTH: The “End Result” question – Take the internal belief and imagine yourself never-changing the belief. It always must be.

  • “How will my life be if I continue to think this way? If I continue to only believe women are not attracted to me because I'm short, where will that put me in 1,5,10,20 years of my life?”
  • “How will my life be if I continue to believe women are only attracted to jerks? If I continue to believe women are not attracted to me because I'm a jerk where will that put me in 1,5,10,20 years of my life?”

SIXTH: The “Alternate” Question – Take your belief and come up with a clear example of when it was not true.

  • “Can I think of a time in which I did feel attractive despite my height?”
  • “Can I think of a time where a woman WAS attracted to me despite me being a nice guy?”

SEVENTH: The “Other Perspective” Question – Now assume the role where this belief HAS to be true from her perspective.

  • “I could never be attracted to a short man because they can not protect me like a tall man.”
  • “At Least a jerk doesn't lie to me. He tells me when I look bad or when I'm being stupid.”

Try some on your own based on YOUR limited belief system and TRUST this exercise serves a greater purpose.

(If you are a shorter guy then there's more detailed examples in my appropriately titled post: You're Not Too Short To Attract Women! How To Get Past This Limited Belief.)

It can be tiring so limit yourself by take a few minutes to do a couple today.

You might not feel it's working but it is AND give yourself a few tries before you get it right because it's not as easy as it looks.

If you don't feel it's working then understand this:

ALL of your thoughts and actions start with your mind which has been cultivating itself throughout your life. You have been forming a belief system based on the cause and effects you have experienced and/or saw.

This is how your brain rationalizes itself for you. The mind NEEDS to be right otherwise it wouldn't work. Let's avoid a discussion on all that for now. b

As time went on your thoughts or ideas become ingrained in your mind and become your present belief system.

This "limited belief" exercise re-trains or "reframes" your brain to objectify what has been happening so you can begin to form a NEW positive and REAL belief system which in turn, allows you to grow.

These are not affirmations.

What you're doing is creating a new thought template to help you better rationalize your existence.

It removes the "gray area" because when you can think more clearly, see what's happening despite how it's making you feel, it removes the negative associations based on a limited view of the world we ALL perceive...

You are redefining yourself to BE a MORE ATTRACTIVE MAN so you can naturally attract women.

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Unlike your confidence - your self-esteem will communicate itself to others regardless of your skills in communication.

AND... you will naturally attract and align yourself with others (including women) who share that same level of esteem.

If (and hopefully not when) you ever find yourself in a relationship (any type from a family member to a friend to co-workers to bosses to girlfriends and/or wives) your self-esteem is not closely aligned to theirs - the relationship will have problems that inevitably destroy it.

It's becomes a sort-of fail safe system.

Gain a higher self-esteem and you will find yourself naturally better suited to be around those on that level.

Which ultimately means happier, longer-lasting, and healthier relationships.

Communication Skills.

This one is a little tougher and definitely too large of an area to cover in a post.

It is what is exactly written - a SKILL therefore it's something you learn and have been learning since the day you were born.

There are some communication skills you are born with to help you communicate your needs to your Mother or whomever is taking care of you.

You are also born with the skills of understanding body language communication but not necessarily with the skill of communicating with your body.

Meaning your body will convey messages to others which you might not even be aware of that is happening. Just the same as you sense it from others, others are getting it from you.

As you mature you learn new communication skills to also convey your new possibly adult needs or to get what you want from others or from life in general.

NOBODY without any serious brain issues lacks communication skills or the ability to learn them or to retrain them in such a way which gets you more things or causes an effect (positive or negative) in others.

Even the so-called asshole who pushes people around or puts down those around them is using THAT style of communication to fulfill his needs. It may not be appropriate or right but it's still a skill he learned as he matured or in his case, his body got larger.

Even a person born without a tongue or loses the ability to speak learns to communicate by whatever means possible.

The many types of communication are often debated and tend to center around the area as in work, family, sexual partner, etc...

What you should be concerned in the matter of attracting women are:

  • Body language - Conveying calm, cool, collected, relaxed, open, calculated, etc...
  • Social skills - How you interact with others in a group setting of any kind in any place or environment.
  • Sexuality - How you learn to turn others on and trigger their desires towards you.
  • Verbal or Oral - The spoken words between two people of any kind. Normally very personal and sometime confidential.
  • Visual - Your look communicates to others and although you can not control this perception entirely, you can sway others to see what you intend for them to see.

Hey, I told you it's a huge area which is why it's so very important if you want to attract women naturally to LEARN THE SKILL OF COMMUNICATION in a way which can trigger her attraction towards you.

Figure out as soon as you can which skill you need the most help in and start the process.

Without the right communication skills you will NEVER gain complete control of attracting the women you desire.

Through your confidence and high self-esteem you WILL naturally attract others but when it comes to forming deeper relationships and attracting a woman despite what you have or can give to them...


Your married life depends on it. Your family life depends on it. Your career life depends on it... if you want to feel or be successful in those areas.

The only CONTROL you have outside yourself is the ability to get what you want from life (even outside of normal reasoning) comes down to your communication skills with others.

My goal today was not to scare you into thinking this is all way too much work.

My purpose is to just prove to you that you're not a loser with women. You CAN get this handled.

You don't have to be or ever feel lonely again.

My purpose is to show you all the areas of attraction so you can better manage YOUR PERSONAL plan to success.

There is not just one path you can take BUT you must START SOMEWHERE.

My personal suggestion could have you go through all the programs I know which can show you all the necessary details in the ares you feel you need specific help on but that would only turn this page into a catalog and that's NOT my intention today at all.

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STOP thinking or believing you're a loser with women.

START believing any feelings of loneliness you have can and WILL be eliminated because you DO have the CHOICE to overcome it.

STOP hoping things will change.

STARTING making things change for you today!

There is not magic secret cure because you are NOT suffering from a disease.

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Dave here I like the way you communicate, it makes me think. I am what I call a thinker, meaning I am always consciously thinking about something, usually a project or a future project how to proceed about things. But for some reason I never put it use in my social life probably because I was raised to believe only “sluts” want sex and who wants a slut, right? Right now she is looking pretty good. LOL anyway You make me think in ways I haven’t before and it is making me feel better about many things I just wanted to say I am glad I accidentally ran across your site and to say Thank You and keep up the good work. If you want to feel free to use this letter.
Thank You again your awesome and your teachings are also, Dave Allen

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  • Ry

    So many people say don’t chase the women… As if that was the solve all solution to the problem which is the reason we are all here to begin with. But, that does not work! I know I have been trying it for many years. Women don’t ask me out or try to have relationships with me. It’s just not in their nature unless you are Brad Pitt. So if they aren’t trying to make anything happen with me and I’m not trying then….. Nothing would be happening. And guess what, nothing is happening. I do agree that many women are desperately attracted to guys that have zero long term potential and are highly likely to cheat on them, lie that they didn’t, and give them something incurable. But that would take logic to think about long term potential. A short term emotional high feels better than growing old while creating a beautiful family right? I guess what I’m trying to say is that I wish everyone would stop saying stop chasing women and start saying something that works. Regardless of what I learn now I feel like I will die alone and at this point I am ok with that. I will die confused wondering what if anything actually goes on in a woman’s head? I’m picturing an emotional vacuum cleaner running on its fastest speed. Ignoring any logic and just desperately seeking any emotional buzz. Whatever. At least I never had any kids. Good luck to anyone reading this.

  • Paul

    I’m 37 and have never kissed a woman – and no woman has ever tried to kiss me. I stay in good shape, dress well and have a great sense of humour, but I never approach or bother trying to show my interest in women I like because I’m realistic enough to know that there’s a 100% chance I’ll be completely rejected by every woman I might try to introduce myself to. I have many woman friends, but no matter what anyone tells me, the fact is, I cannot see how it could be remotely possible for any woman to be attracted to me in *that* way – so I’m doomed to remain chronically single.

  • Darius

    Hello my name is Darius, I’m a 21 yr old College grad. I’m currently going to grad school in Lyon, France. I haven’t had much success in relationships, to date I’ve never had a girlfriend, when I was younger I was so afraid to ask someone out because of fear of rejection, people talking and what my Mother would think and say (regardless of what I do or say my Mother talks). I didn’t start asking out girls till College. One of the early ones hurt so much because things got awkward whenever the other person and I crossed paths at school. I was bitter, depressed, and had on again off again bouts of self pity. During my Senior year I accomplished the trial of asking out at least 50 girls, all of whom were not interested in me or were already taken. The only success was a small coffee date with a friend, which ended in the best rejection so far. I suppose the early rejections were really bad because I started pursuit through email or facebook, I realize one has to be persistent but constant rejection is a bit discouraging. I feel as though I’m not coming off as attractive. My long-term goal in relationship is a wife that I can honor God with (YES I’m a Christian). I want to be the Father, I didn’t have. What should do to be more attractive and improve my chances of meeting someone, I don’t want to be Charlie Sheen and I certain don’t want to be Alan Harper.

  • OlBlueEyes

    Qualities such as honesty, a good work ethic, sincerity, humility, generosity, and stability (in short, “niceness) are wonderful to have.
    Learn this sad truth now:
    None, NOT ONE of them translates into an ounce of pussy.

    • peter white

      It’s all how you use them OlBLueEyes AND they are great qualities to have in a relationship so women do look for them in a guy.

      You just need to create the attraction and not try to use those qualities to do so because you’re right, they don’t normally translate into pussy.

      You also can not use them as excuses IF and WHEN you’re not getting any.

      That was my biggest problem. I thought the same thing and then made myself believe I wasn’t getting any because women are not attracted to those qualities. Kind of a two edged sword there guaranteeing me failure with most women.

      The truth of the matter is YES, you might not need them just to get laid. Some women will sleep with you even if they don’t see any long-term attraction, BUT as for getting and keeping a girlfriend, you know one who is not overly dramatic or “on the crazy” side of lifestyles, AND for anything long-term those qualities is what is going to work for you.


      • Roberto

        Why do you tell the guy that he has to “create the attraction” when you don’t give him any idea of what you are talking about ??!

  • Bill

    James, let’s put it this way: I have never seen an asshole, ex-con, violent thug or gang member that ever lacked for female attention and lots of it. I have seen many decent, sincere guys that had good jobs and a solid future be unable to get a date or a girlfriend. I’ll tell you seomthing else–these assholes and thugs don’t chase women-women chase them. I have seen it. As an alternative to giving up on on women altogether you might want to move women way down on your prioritiy list—put your education, career, finances, friends and hobbies first and put women at priority # 7 or # 8. They are not worth investing a lot of time in . By the way, even if you get a girlfriend she will dump you in a heartbeat the minute she is “bored” or an exciting or seductive bad boy comes along. Look out for yourself. Do not let women determine your self worth. The fact that you can’t get a date does not mean you are a bad person. You can’t get a date because assholes, thugs and various misfits are VERY attractive to women and they get the lion’s share of the female attention. If you don’t believe me, go out in any big city and look at the guys these woman are dating. Repeat, stop chasing and eyeballing the woman; instead take a good hard look at the guys they are dating.– Don’t believe women when they say they “only want a nice guy.” Look at who they date and have sex with and it will tell you everything about them. respond to my comment if you have any questions.


  • james

    Thanks guys . this helps you motivated me . I don’t know why girl reject nice people .its also happening to me .whenever I try to get a girl I’m rejected .I’m doing my education ,I want a serious relationship .but girls always reject me .

    I’m stopping chasing for girls and concentrate on my chartered accounting career .I will never go for any girl again .I’m tired .i keep trying but it never works .

    I invest my patience in my studies and career . rejection hates .I will enjoy my life alone.I’m 21 years now

    • Hey James – women are NOT rejected your niceness. Most real women who are nice themselves prefer to be treated “nicely.”

      It’s good to stop chasing women and it’s also good to focus on something else beside women. THAT could only help you. It’s also great to learn how to enjoy your life alone. To be complete and happy while being single is a good thing which will only help you in the end.

      BUT I wouldn’t give up on women entirely. Balance is important for true happiness.

      I would switch your focus from “wanting a serious relationship” to enjoying quality time or fun experiences with women FIRST. That’s the first hurdle and I believe when you learn to do that you’ll find the relationship part will “sort of” take care of itself.

      We’re all glad this helped you and I’m pulling for you James,


    • Bill

      James, you are on the right track. Don’t waste your time chasing women. It won’t add anything to your resume or a dime to your bank account. You will need financial security for your senior years because life sucks without money. Even if you get a girlfriend she will dump you for a Bad Boy the second she is “bored.” The BEST mindset for a man is to stop caring about women. Women are NOT like pets where you love them and they love you back. They are not these angels sent from heaven to make everything right. I think it was best summed up by Robert DiNiro in the movie Taxi Driver where he said that “women are cold and distant. They are like a union.” View them that way and see that the vast majority are also chasing misfits, thugs and Bad Boys and you won’t feel so bad.

      • Bill,

        Although I do agree it’s not always best to “chase” women. I mean you do have to do something unless you have something “certain” women will always chase like money, power, incredible looks, or fame… BUT taking advice from a fake character who happens to be a psychopath killer isn’t the smartest thing to do.

    • Roberto

      You want to know why girls don’t like nice men? It’s because girls are not nice people.

  • Dave Hare

    Im a real loser with women also. No matter how hard I try to look nice and be nice no woman on this earth would want me. Ive been skinny to fat, Muscular to wealthy. I can have lots of money ect. No woman see’s me attractive enough for them. I hope I die.

    • Dave, women are looking for something more than any of what you mentioned. That’s probably why you haven’t had much luck with them. I won’t lie, sure some of things can matter to some women, but I feel the majority are looking for a feeling. Whether the trust their intuition or not to go with those feelings is of course mainly left to your lead and a little more based on where she is.

      The feeling of attraction women normally feel has little to do with the items you mentioned above. Besides, before you lose all hope…

      Stop trying to look nice for women and start looking “good,” because how comfortable and confident you feel with what you are wearing.

      Stop trying to be so nice to women. If you’re a genuinely good person and people respect you, never feel like you have to prove your niceness to anyone, especially women you find attractive. It’s not necessary. Women are not the “decision maker” of how nice you are or not.

      Take care of your body the best you can because, again, how good it feels to be in shape and have lots of energy to enjoy life to the fullest. Women are not the goal in weight control.

      If you want lots of money, go for it. But if you don’t and are only doing it hoping money will clear your “loser” status with women, it will only have the opposite effect. As you have already experienced. Women are not your financial advisers. (Unless you’re married, having kids with her, or are in some kind of legal agreement.)

      In others words start making women an amazing side effect in your life and not the ultimate goal to your existence. That’s what rally works. And when you want to step through the process of attraction, dating, and relationships more often focus on what I’ve mentioned above as a new optimistic perspective.

      Then you can start adding on the rest of the personality traits women are highly attracted to. Like confidence, great humor, vocal inflections, passion, desire, drive, charisma, etc…

      What do you say Dave. You up for this new challenge?

    • Bill

      Dave, when I was 30 I gave up on ever having a wife or even a girlfriend. I had a secure, well paying job and my own townhouse in a clean, safe area. I couldn’t buy a date for a million bucks while ex-cons and guys who could not hold any job had all the women they wanted. After I totally gave up , women got interested in me and I started getting dates. . I did not display confidence but rather total indifference and it wasn’t an act. If a woman expressed an interest I would ask her out. I didn’t care if she said yes or no. When I honestly cared about women they couldn’t run away fast enough. I am married now and that’s all behind me. Another thing..I used to agonize over asking women out, fearing rejection After age 30, I didn’t care what she said. I realized that if she rejected me, she wasn’t turning me down to go out with a brain surgeon..rather she was turning me down to go out with a dirtbag. Take a close look at who these women go out with (losers by any standard) and you won’t put them on a pedestal anymore. I am not saying that immediately after you give up women will be pounding on your door. But the immediate effect is that you will feel more relaxed. You don’t have to display “confidence” because you are not chasing women anymore. You don’t have to worry about what any particular women thinks of you because you know she’s fixated on some other guy. You will feel at peace because you have given up a pointless struggle where you can never win. Even if you want to get back into the game at a later date, a break is an excellent idea. By the way, I know of 2 girls who rejected they are divorced and alone and still working while I am happily and comfortably retired while my wife and I are enjoying life. These girls who reject decent guys with good jobs to date scumbags…I have NEVER seen one of them do well. Hope this helps

      • peter white

        I’m sure it will help lots of guys… Thanks Bill,


    • Bill

      Dave, I used to put these women on a pedestal until I took a good look at who they were attracted to…basically, the scum of the earth..thugs, bad boys and violent abusive men. That’s why they will dump the attorney or CPA to go out with a scumbag. I would stop pandering to these women, stop worrying about what they think of you. When I gave up on women and started concentrating on my graduate education and my career I started getting dates. It’s weird. When I cared about women and treated them well, they ran away. When I was indifferent and focussed on other things, they started paying attention. I used to get upset when I saw a nice girl with a dirtbag. After I gave up on women, I couldn’t care less. Your time is better spent making money, furthering your education and taking care of yourself. You will get a return on your investment and if a woman expresses an interest, you can follow up. You don’t need to chase them. Do you think these Alpha males, thugs and bad boys chase women? No. They have so many women they are pushing them away.